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Lætitia Avrot
Hi all, 

Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets. 

This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna. 

So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one. 

Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that event? 

Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please add your ideas here) 

Cheers, 

Lætitia Avrot 
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Boriss Mejias
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:

> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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gülçin yıldırım
Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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Ila B.
Good morning,

I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus. 

I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100% availability yet). 

I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works. 

Let me know,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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gülçin yıldırım
As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5 free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip. Just let me know if it helps you to come there.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good morning,

I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus. 

I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100% availability yet). 

I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works. 

Let me know,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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Ila B.
That’s such awesome news! I’m excited already to help, I have volunteering experience at Chaos Communication Congress and I lead a Linux User Group in my city, so I’m used to interacting with people and doing this kind of tasks. 

My idea was leaving from Milan with the first train in the morning (5.30am~) on the 17th and coming back after 6pm, so I should be able to arrive in large advance. It’s just a hour of train, the outward is 10€ and return is 20€ - I should be able to pay for one (or even both), I appreciate so much all the kindness of this community and I don’t want to take advantage of it. 

Frel free to email me in private if needed,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 12:46 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5 free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip. Just let me know if it helps you to come there.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good morning,

I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus. 

I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100% availability yet). 

I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works. 

Let me know,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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Renee Phillips
Is it possible to ask the selection committee or pgday Italy organizers about any women who submitted talks but were not selected AND have not registered? Unless my eyes deceive me, they have only one woman speaker on the whole day. Perhaps we can reach out to these women who had submitted? 

Not sure if pgday italy collaborates with postgres women on anything so far but this seems like a good non confrontational way to show support and subtly encourage them to get more women to submit. 

Also, I would totally go but my travel from the US is a bit more expensive to arrange and I’m still job searching. Was just speaking at pgday Paris and pgday Nordic So I’d really also love to see new women get chances to attend as many events as possible. 



On Mar 23, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Ilaria <[hidden email]> wrote:

That’s such awesome news! I’m excited already to help, I have volunteering experience at Chaos Communication Congress and I lead a Linux User Group in my city, so I’m used to interacting with people and doing this kind of tasks. 

My idea was leaving from Milan with the first train in the morning (5.30am~) on the 17th and coming back after 6pm, so I should be able to arrive in large advance. It’s just a hour of train, the outward is 10€ and return is 20€ - I should be able to pay for one (or even both), I appreciate so much all the kindness of this community and I don’t want to take advantage of it. 

Frel free to email me in private if needed,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 12:46 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5 free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip. Just let me know if it helps you to come there.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good morning,

I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus. 

I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100% availability yet). 

I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works. 

Let me know,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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Re: Pgday italy

Lætitia Avrot
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+1 to give Illaria a ticket. 

Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]> a écrit :
As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5 free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip. Just let me know if it helps you to come there.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good morning,

I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus. 

I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100% availability yet). 

I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works. 

Let me know,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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Ila B.
Thank you so much Lætitia, this community is amazing and I’ll love to help. 

Managing money is not a problem to me, having t-shirts would be really nice but someone needs to design them. I think stickers are a must, and flyers can be useful as well. It can be good to focus on the PG phylosophy while encouraging women to actively participate to the community. 

We could share stories and videos of PG women, especially public speakers or top contributors. It’s important to emphasise on acceptance, diversity and pride to be a woman. 

Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 17:40 schrieb Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]>:

+1 to give Illaria a ticket. 

Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]> a écrit :
As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5 free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip. Just let me know if it helps you to come there.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good morning,

I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus. 

I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100% availability yet). 

I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works. 

Let me know,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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Re: Pgday italy

gülçin yıldırım
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Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty (and her travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.

I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has she contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the booth?

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1 to give Illaria a ticket. 

Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]> a écrit :
As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5 free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip. Just let me know if it helps you to come there.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good morning,

I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus. 

I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100% availability yet). 

I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works. 

Let me know,
Ilaria

Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level. 

If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to open the booth at first place.

Cheers,
Gülçin

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> wrote:
Great news Lætitia,

Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.

I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.

Cheers
Boriss

Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> Hi all,
>
> Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>
> This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>
> So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if you or a woman you
> know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure you'll have one.
>
> Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a friend that could
> be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a postgres women booth with
> only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman there available for that
> event?
>
> Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres women booth? Do we
> want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers? Do we want to
> create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us to manage money)? Do
> we want to print and give away a list of postgres women public speakers? (please
> add your ideas here)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia Avrot

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Boriss Mejias
gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
> Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty (and her
> travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.
>
> I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has she
> contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the booth?

Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have been thinking
about ideas for the flyers and I have two:

1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic PgDay, there
could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman" AND "if you
are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.

2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really useful. For
instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender neutral. My
female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and women. In
doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could say "hello
guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the beginning of the
century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary because of
ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words to avoid and
words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough with sentences
like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct alternative that
is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but also to
propose solutions.

That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.

Cheers
Boriss


>
> Cheers,
> Gülçin
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>
>     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>
>         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5
>         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate
>         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are
>         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip.
>         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>
>         Cheers,
>         Gülçin
>
>         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>             Good morning,
>
>             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I
>             can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus.
>
>             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and
>             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able
>             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100%
>             availability yet).
>
>             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more
>             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works.
>
>             Let me know,
>             Ilaria
>
>             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to
>>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for
>>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform
>>             there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level.
>>
>>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to
>>             open the booth at first place.
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>             Gülçin
>>
>>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Great news Lætitia,
>>
>>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.
>>
>>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>
>>                 Cheers
>>                 Boriss
>>
>>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>                 > Hi all,
>>                 >
>>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>>                 >
>>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>>                 >
>>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if
>>                 you or a woman you
>>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure
>>                 you'll have one.
>>                 >
>>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a
>>                 friend that could
>>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a
>>                 postgres women booth with
>>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman
>>                 there available for that
>>                 > event?
>>                 >
>>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres
>>                 women booth? Do we
>>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers?
>>                 Do we want to
>>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us
>>                 to manage money)? Do
>>                 > we want to print and give away a list of postgres women
>>                 public speakers? (please
>>                 > add your ideas here)
>>                 >
>>                 > Cheers,
>>                 >
>>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>>

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Re: Pgday italy

Lætitia Avrot
Hello Postgres Women,

I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy flyers, stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay Italy) and they say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe only (because PostgreSQL Europe can't provide anything outside Europe).

So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had a rate for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be 105x297mm (that's half a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could have on one side the what you can do if your a man/woman and the inclusive glossary on the other, what do you think ?

For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.

For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?

Have a nice day,

Lætitia

Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> a écrit :
gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
> Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty (and her
> travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.
>
> I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has she
> contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the booth?

Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have been thinking
about ideas for the flyers and I have two:

1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic PgDay, there
could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman" AND "if you
are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.

2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really useful. For
instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender neutral. My
female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and women. In
doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could say "hello
guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the beginning of the
century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary because of
ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words to avoid and
words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough with sentences
like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct alternative that
is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but also to
propose solutions.

That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.

Cheers
Boriss


>
> Cheers,
> Gülçin
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>
>     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>
>         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5
>         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate
>         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are
>         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip.
>         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>
>         Cheers,
>         Gülçin
>
>         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>             Good morning,
>
>             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I
>             can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus.
>
>             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and
>             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able
>             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100%
>             availability yet).
>
>             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more
>             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works.
>
>             Let me know,
>             Ilaria
>
>             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to
>>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for
>>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform
>>             there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level.
>>
>>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to
>>             open the booth at first place.
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>             Gülçin
>>
>>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Great news Lætitia,
>>
>>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.
>>
>>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>
>>                 Cheers
>>                 Boriss
>>
>>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>                 > Hi all,
>>                 >
>>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>>                 >
>>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>>                 >
>>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if
>>                 you or a woman you
>>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure
>>                 you'll have one.
>>                 >
>>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a
>>                 friend that could
>>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a
>>                 postgres women booth with
>>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman
>>                 there available for that
>>                 > event?
>>                 >
>>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres
>>                 women booth? Do we
>>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers?
>>                 Do we want to
>>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us
>>                 to manage money)? Do
>>                 > we want to print and give away a list of postgres women
>>                 public speakers? (please
>>                 > add your ideas here)
>>                 >
>>                 > Cheers,
>>                 >
>>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>>



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Re: Pgday italy

Lætitia Avrot
Hi,

I'm sorry to bother you, but I really could do with some help with the flyer content (I can put that in form).

For now here's what I have:

What you can do to help if you're a man:
  1. Be open with other men about your commitment to make the community more inclusive and invite them to join.
  2. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
  3. Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.
  4. Help with Postgres Women organization.
  5. Make women feel welcome in the community.
What you can do if you're a woman:
  1. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
  2. Attend to conf talk events and to social events afterwards.
  3. Speak to conf talk events and encourage other women to do so.
  4. Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.
  5. Help with Postgres Women organization.

And for the other side (inclusive vocabulary):

Bossy: This term has been skewed to be a negative term to describe a woman that is direct and communicates expectations.

Guys: Using “guys” to address all people is gendered languages that may insinuate that men are the preferred gender at your organization. Instead, use gender-neutral language such as; folks, people, you all, y’all, and teammates.

Girl/Girls: For anyone over 18 years old, woman or women is a better choice.

Females: To many English speakers, “females” sounds like a scientific designation one would use for animals or plants. Try “women” instead.

Housekeeping: In reference to office work, this language can feel gendered. Suggested alternative: maintenance, cleanup

Ladies/gals: Terms like “ladies”, “gals” or others can feel patronizing to some. Try women instead, or “folks” or “people” for mixed-gender groups.

Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates

Mr and Mrs: In English, Mr. is used for all men. However, in the past, women were either ‘Mrs.’ or ‘Miss’ depending on whether they were married. Now, ‘Ms.’ is used for all women. ‘Ms.’ reflects that it is not important to know whether a woman is married or not. 

They: Using they/them to indicate a single, gender neutral person is now commonly accepted. 

Do you have other ideas ?

I need to make the order quickly, so I really could do with your help!

Cheers,

Lætitia

Le jeu. 4 avr. 2019 à 09:09, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hello Postgres Women,

I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy flyers, stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay Italy) and they say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe only (because PostgreSQL Europe can't provide anything outside Europe).

So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had a rate for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be 105x297mm (that's half a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could have on one side the what you can do if your a man/woman and the inclusive glossary on the other, what do you think ?

For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.

For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?

Have a nice day,

Lætitia

Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> a écrit :
gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
> Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty (and her
> travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.
>
> I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has she
> contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the booth?

Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have been thinking
about ideas for the flyers and I have two:

1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic PgDay, there
could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman" AND "if you
are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.

2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really useful. For
instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender neutral. My
female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and women. In
doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could say "hello
guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the beginning of the
century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary because of
ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words to avoid and
words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough with sentences
like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct alternative that
is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but also to
propose solutions.

That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.

Cheers
Boriss


>
> Cheers,
> Gülçin
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>
>     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>
>         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5
>         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate
>         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are
>         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip.
>         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>
>         Cheers,
>         Gülçin
>
>         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>             Good morning,
>
>             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I
>             can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus.
>
>             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and
>             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able
>             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100%
>             availability yet).
>
>             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more
>             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works.
>
>             Let me know,
>             Ilaria
>
>             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to
>>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for
>>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform
>>             there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level.
>>
>>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to
>>             open the booth at first place.
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>             Gülçin
>>
>>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Great news Lætitia,
>>
>>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.
>>
>>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>
>>                 Cheers
>>                 Boriss
>>
>>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>                 > Hi all,
>>                 >
>>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>>                 >
>>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>>                 >
>>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if
>>                 you or a woman you
>>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure
>>                 you'll have one.
>>                 >
>>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a
>>                 friend that could
>>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a
>>                 postgres women booth with
>>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman
>>                 there available for that
>>                 > event?
>>                 >
>>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres
>>                 women booth? Do we
>>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers?
>>                 Do we want to
>>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us
>>                 to manage money)? Do
>>                 > we want to print and give away a list of postgres women
>>                 public speakers? (please
>>                 > add your ideas here)
>>                 >
>>                 > Cheers,
>>                 >
>>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>>



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Re: Pgday italy

Dian Fay

Some items on side 1 are the same. The only one I have major qualms about is 4/5 ("Help with Postgres Women organization") since it's both sort of implicit and extremely vague; it really needs a more concrete call to action. Here's a reorganization with some editorial tweaks, see how you like it:

What you can do to help:

1. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
2. Speak up if you observe gender (or other) bias, and report Code of Conduct violations.
3. Promote and support the Postgres Women organization.

If you're a woman:

4. Show up! Attend conferences and social events, and participate in the PostgreSQL community.
5. Speak at conferences and encourage other women doing the same.

If you're a man:

6. Make women feel welcome in the community.
7. Be open with other men about your commitment to making the community more inclusive, and invite them to join you.

On side 2, one suggestion and a bunch of nitpicks (can you tell I moonlight as an editor?):

* lead off the "guys"-alternatives with "everyone".
* after "Girl/Girls", quote "woman" and "women".
* "Ladies/gals" should be "Ladies/Gals" and "Try women instead" should quote "women".
* "Try using work instead" should quote "work".
* "Mr and Mrs" should be "Mr. and Mrs." and use double quotes instead of single quotes.
* "They" should be "He/Him (generic)" or perhaps "Defaulting to gendered pronouns" to follow the established "exclusive language: details and alternatives" pattern.

Thanks for putting in all the work on this, Lætitia!

Dian

On 4/6/19 9:45 AM, Lætitia Avrot wrote:
Hi,

I'm sorry to bother you, but I really could do with some help with the flyer content (I can put that in form).

For now here's what I have:

What you can do to help if you're a man:
  1. Be open with other men about your commitment to make the community more inclusive and invite them to join.
  2. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
  3. Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.
  4. Help with Postgres Women organization.
  5. Make women feel welcome in the community.
What you can do if you're a woman:
  1. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
  2. Attend to conf talk events and to social events afterwards.
  3. Speak to conf talk events and encourage other women to do so.
  4. Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.
  5. Help with Postgres Women organization.

And for the other side (inclusive vocabulary):

Bossy: This term has been skewed to be a negative term to describe a woman that is direct and communicates expectations.

Guys: Using “guys” to address all people is gendered languages that may insinuate that men are the preferred gender at your organization. Instead, use gender-neutral language such as; folks, people, you all, y’all, and teammates.

Girl/Girls: For anyone over 18 years old, woman or women is a better choice.

Females: To many English speakers, “females” sounds like a scientific designation one would use for animals or plants. Try “women” instead.

Housekeeping: In reference to office work, this language can feel gendered. Suggested alternative: maintenance, cleanup

Ladies/gals: Terms like “ladies”, “gals” or others can feel patronizing to some. Try women instead, or “folks” or “people” for mixed-gender groups.

Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates

Mr and Mrs: In English, Mr. is used for all men. However, in the past, women were either ‘Mrs.’ or ‘Miss’ depending on whether they were married. Now, ‘Ms.’ is used for all women. ‘Ms.’ reflects that it is not important to know whether a woman is married or not. 

They: Using they/them to indicate a single, gender neutral person is now commonly accepted. 

Do you have other ideas ?

I need to make the order quickly, so I really could do with your help!

Cheers,

Lætitia

Le jeu. 4 avr. 2019 à 09:09, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hello Postgres Women,

I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy flyers, stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay Italy) and they say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe only (because PostgreSQL Europe can't provide anything outside Europe).

So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had a rate for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be 105x297mm (that's half a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could have on one side the what you can do if your a man/woman and the inclusive glossary on the other, what do you think ?

For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.

For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?

Have a nice day,

Lætitia

Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> a écrit :
gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
> Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty (and her
> travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.
>
> I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has she
> contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the booth?

Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have been thinking
about ideas for the flyers and I have two:

1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic PgDay, there
could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman" AND "if you
are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.

2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really useful. For
instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender neutral. My
female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and women. In
doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could say "hello
guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the beginning of the
century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary because of
ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words to avoid and
words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough with sentences
like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct alternative that
is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but also to
propose solutions.

That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.

Cheers
Boriss


>
> Cheers,
> Gülçin
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>
>     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>
>         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5
>         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate
>         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are
>         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip.
>         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>
>         Cheers,
>         Gülçin
>
>         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>             Good morning,
>
>             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I
>             can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus.
>
>             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and
>             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able
>             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100%
>             availability yet).
>
>             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more
>             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works.
>
>             Let me know,
>             Ilaria
>
>             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to
>>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for
>>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform
>>             there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level.
>>
>>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to
>>             open the booth at first place.
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>             Gülçin
>>
>>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Great news Lætitia,
>>
>>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.
>>
>>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>
>>                 Cheers
>>                 Boriss
>>
>>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>                 > Hi all,
>>                 >
>>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>>                 >
>>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>>                 >
>>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if
>>                 you or a woman you
>>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure
>>                 you'll have one.
>>                 >
>>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a
>>                 friend that could
>>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a
>>                 postgres women booth with
>>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman
>>                 there available for that
>>                 > event?
>>                 >
>>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres
>>                 women booth? Do we
>>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers?
>>                 Do we want to
>>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us
>>                 to manage money)? Do
>>                 > we want to print and give away a list of postgres women
>>                 public speakers? (please
>>                 > add your ideas here)
>>                 >
>>                 > Cheers,
>>                 >
>>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>>



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Re: Pgday italy

Lætitia Avrot
Thank you all for your answers...

Finally, I choose a A6 format for the flyers, it was easier to fill that way.

You'll find enclosed the flyers and business cards. I need you to send your comments by Wednesday where I'll need to send everything to the printer. The stickers will simply have Postgres Women logo.

Have a nice day!

Lætitia


Le sam. 6 avr. 2019 à 18:58, Dian Fay <[hidden email]> a écrit :

Some items on side 1 are the same. The only one I have major qualms about is 4/5 ("Help with Postgres Women organization") since it's both sort of implicit and extremely vague; it really needs a more concrete call to action. Here's a reorganization with some editorial tweaks, see how you like it:

What you can do to help:

1. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
2. Speak up if you observe gender (or other) bias, and report Code of Conduct violations.
3. Promote and support the Postgres Women organization.

If you're a woman:

4. Show up! Attend conferences and social events, and participate in the PostgreSQL community.
5. Speak at conferences and encourage other women doing the same.

If you're a man:

6. Make women feel welcome in the community.
7. Be open with other men about your commitment to making the community more inclusive, and invite them to join you.

On side 2, one suggestion and a bunch of nitpicks (can you tell I moonlight as an editor?):

* lead off the "guys"-alternatives with "everyone".
* after "Girl/Girls", quote "woman" and "women".
* "Ladies/gals" should be "Ladies/Gals" and "Try women instead" should quote "women".
* "Try using work instead" should quote "work".
* "Mr and Mrs" should be "Mr. and Mrs." and use double quotes instead of single quotes.
* "They" should be "He/Him (generic)" or perhaps "Defaulting to gendered pronouns" to follow the established "exclusive language: details and alternatives" pattern.

Thanks for putting in all the work on this, Lætitia!

Dian

On 4/6/19 9:45 AM, Lætitia Avrot wrote:
Hi,

I'm sorry to bother you, but I really could do with some help with the flyer content (I can put that in form).

For now here's what I have:

What you can do to help if you're a man:
  1. Be open with other men about your commitment to make the community more inclusive and invite them to join.
  2. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
  3. Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.
  4. Help with Postgres Women organization.
  5. Make women feel welcome in the community.
What you can do if you're a woman:
  1. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
  2. Attend to conf talk events and to social events afterwards.
  3. Speak to conf talk events and encourage other women to do so.
  4. Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations.
  5. Help with Postgres Women organization.

And for the other side (inclusive vocabulary):

Bossy: This term has been skewed to be a negative term to describe a woman that is direct and communicates expectations.

Guys: Using “guys” to address all people is gendered languages that may insinuate that men are the preferred gender at your organization. Instead, use gender-neutral language such as; folks, people, you all, y’all, and teammates.

Girl/Girls: For anyone over 18 years old, woman or women is a better choice.

Females: To many English speakers, “females” sounds like a scientific designation one would use for animals or plants. Try “women” instead.

Housekeeping: In reference to office work, this language can feel gendered. Suggested alternative: maintenance, cleanup

Ladies/gals: Terms like “ladies”, “gals” or others can feel patronizing to some. Try women instead, or “folks” or “people” for mixed-gender groups.

Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates

Mr and Mrs: In English, Mr. is used for all men. However, in the past, women were either ‘Mrs.’ or ‘Miss’ depending on whether they were married. Now, ‘Ms.’ is used for all women. ‘Ms.’ reflects that it is not important to know whether a woman is married or not. 

They: Using they/them to indicate a single, gender neutral person is now commonly accepted. 

Do you have other ideas ?

I need to make the order quickly, so I really could do with your help!

Cheers,

Lætitia

Le jeu. 4 avr. 2019 à 09:09, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hello Postgres Women,

I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy flyers, stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay Italy) and they say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe only (because PostgreSQL Europe can't provide anything outside Europe).

So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had a rate for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be 105x297mm (that's half a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could have on one side the what you can do if your a man/woman and the inclusive glossary on the other, what do you think ?

For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.

For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?

Have a nice day,

Lætitia

Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]> a écrit :
gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
> Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty (and her
> travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.
>
> I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has she
> contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the booth?

Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have been thinking
about ideas for the flyers and I have two:

1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic PgDay, there
could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman" AND "if you
are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.

2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really useful. For
instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender neutral. My
female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and women. In
doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could say "hello
guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the beginning of the
century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary because of
ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words to avoid and
words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough with sentences
like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct alternative that
is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but also to
propose solutions.

That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.

Cheers
Boriss


>
> Cheers,
> Gülçin
>
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>
>     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>
>         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5
>         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate
>         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are
>         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip.
>         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>
>         Cheers,
>         Gülçin
>
>         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>             Good morning,
>
>             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I
>             can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus.
>
>             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and
>             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able
>             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100%
>             availability yet).
>
>             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more
>             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works.
>
>             Let me know,
>             Ilaria
>
>             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to
>>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for
>>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform
>>             there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level.
>>
>>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to
>>             open the booth at first place.
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>             Gülçin
>>
>>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Great news Lætitia,
>>
>>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.
>>
>>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>
>>                 Cheers
>>                 Boriss
>>
>>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>                 > Hi all,
>>                 >
>>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>>                 >
>>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>>                 >
>>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if
>>                 you or a woman you
>>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure
>>                 you'll have one.
>>                 >
>>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a
>>                 friend that could
>>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a
>>                 postgres women booth with
>>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman
>>                 there available for that
>>                 > event?
>>                 >
>>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres
>>                 women booth? Do we
>>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers?
>>                 Do we want to
>>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us
>>                 to manage money)? Do
>>                 > we want to print and give away a list of postgres women
>>                 public speakers? (please
>>                 > add your ideas here)
>>                 >
>>                 > Cheers,
>>                 >
>>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>>



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Re: Pgday italy

Boriss Mejias
Hi there,

Yesterday back from holidays and still catching up with emails, so, probably
this feedback is too late, but anyway... |Great proposal Lætitia. I have only
one small change that can make a difference in the appreciation:


Lætitia Avrot wrote on 07.04.19 12:23:
[...]
>>     /Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the
>>     conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using
>>     work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates

Is the world "Man" the one who needs to be avoided? or do we need to avoid "Man
as a synonym for work"?

I believe is the second case, so, to prevent confusion, move the ':'

"Man" as a synonym for work: as in "man hours,"...  etc....

Also, I would keep the explanation up to "Try using work instead", as the more
inclusive alternatives don't really work: "people hours", "folk the inbox"...

By the way, never heard about "man the inbox" or "man the conference booth"...
is that really referring to men, or to management?

That's it from my part. Thanks again Lætitia.

Cheers
Boriss

>>
>>     Mr and Mrs: In English, Mr. is used for all men. However, in the past,
>>     women were either ‘Mrs.’ or ‘Miss’ depending on whether they were married.
>>     Now, ‘Ms.’ is used for all women. ‘Ms.’ reflects that it is not important
>>     to know whether a woman is married or not. /
>>     /
>>     /
>>     /They: Using they/them to indicate a single, gender neutral person is now
>>     commonly accepted. /
>>
>>     Do you have other ideas ?
>>
>>     I need to make the order quickly, so I really could do with your help!
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Lætitia
>>
>>     Le jeu. 4 avr. 2019 à 09:09, Lætitia Avrot <[hidden email]
>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>>
>>         Hello Postgres Women,
>>
>>         I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy
>>         flyers, stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay
>>         Italy) and they say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe
>>         only (because PostgreSQL Europe can't provide anything outside Europe).
>>
>>         So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had a
>>         rate for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be 105x297mm
>>         (that's half a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could have on one side
>>         the what you can do if your a man/woman and the inclusive glossary on
>>         the other, what do you think ?
>>
>>         For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.
>>
>>         For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed
>>         (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?
>>
>>         Have a nice day,
>>
>>         Lætitia
>>
>>         Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <[hidden email]
>>         <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit :
>>
>>             gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
>>             > Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the
>>             booth duty (and her
>>             > travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket
>>             to her.
>>             >
>>             > I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter.
>>             Has she
>>             > contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss
>>             at the booth?
>>
>>             Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have
>>             been thinking
>>             about ideas for the flyers and I have two:
>>
>>             1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic
>>             PgDay, there
>>             could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman"
>>             AND "if you
>>             are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.
>>
>>             2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really
>>             useful. For
>>             instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender
>>             neutral. My
>>             female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and
>>             women. In
>>             doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could
>>             say "hello
>>             guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the
>>             beginning of the
>>             century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary
>>             because of
>>             ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words
>>             to avoid and
>>             words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough
>>             with sentences
>>             like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct
>>             alternative that
>>             is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but
>>             also to
>>             propose solutions.
>>
>>             That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.
>>
>>             Cheers
>>             Boriss
>>
>>
>>             >
>>             > Cheers,
>>             > Gülçin
>>             >
>>             > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             > <mailto:[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>             >
>>             >     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
>>             >
>>             >     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             >     <mailto:[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>> a écrit :
>>             >
>>             >         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the
>>             conference gave us 5
>>             >         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the
>>             perfect candidate
>>             >         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3
>>             If you are
>>             >         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover
>>             your train trip.
>>             >         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
>>             >
>>             >         Cheers,
>>             >         Gülçin
>>             >
>>             >         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             >         <mailto:[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>             >
>>             >             Good morning,
>>             >
>>             >             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be
>>             at the booth, I
>>             >             can speak both Italian and English so that would be
>>             a plus.
>>             >
>>             >             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to
>>             Bologna and
>>             >             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I
>>             should be able
>>             >             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t
>>             give you 100%
>>             >             availability yet).
>>             >
>>             >             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket
>>             would be more
>>             >             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure
>>             how it works.
>>             >
>>             >             Let me know,
>>             >             Ilaria
>>             >
>>             >             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>>             >             <[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>>:
>>             >
>>             >>             Hi,
>>             >>
>>             >>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask
>>             those ladies to
>>             >>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our
>>             requirement for
>>             >>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they
>>             should perform
>>             >>             there, should not be anything hard even at the
>>             entry level.
>>             >>
>>             >>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would
>>             vote for not to
>>             >>             open the booth at first place.
>>             >>
>>             >>             Cheers,
>>             >>             Gülçin
>>             >>
>>             >>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             >>             <mailto:[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>             >>
>>             >>                 Great news Lætitia,
>>             >>
>>             >>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th
>>             of May.
>>             >>
>>             >>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>             >>
>>             >>                 Cheers
>>             >>                 Boriss
>>             >>
>>             >>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>             >>                 > Hi all,
>>             >>                 >
>>             >>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5
>>             free tickets.
>>             >>                 >
>>             >>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in
>>             Bologna.
>>             >>                 >
>>             >>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free
>>             tickets,  so if
>>             >>                 you or a woman you
>>             >>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and
>>             I'll make sure
>>             >>                 you'll have one.
>>             >>                 >
>>             >>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be
>>             there. I have a
>>             >>                 friend that could
>>             >>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm
>>             concerned that a
>>             >>                 postgres women booth with
>>             >>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is
>>             any woman
>>             >>                 there available for that
>>             >>                 > event?
>>             >>                 >
>>             >>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have
>>             in the postgres
>>             >>                 women booth? Do we
>>             >>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to
>>             print some flyers?
>>             >>                 Do we want to
>>             >>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it
>>             would mean for us
>>             >>                 to manage money)? Do
>>             >>                 > we want to print and give away a list of
>>             postgres women
>>             >>                 public speakers? (please
>>             >>                 > add your ideas here)
>>             >>                 >
>>             >>                 > Cheers,
>>             >>                 >
>>             >>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>>             >>
>>
>>
>>
>>         --
>>         /Think! Do you really need to print this email ? /
>>         //There is no Planet B.//
>>
>>
>>
>>     --
>>     /Paper doesn’t grow on trees. Please print responsibly./
>
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>
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Re: Pgday italy

Lætitia Avrot
Hi Boriss,


Yesterday back from holidays and still catching up with emails, so, probably
this feedback is too late, but anyway... |Great proposal Lætitia. I have only
one small change that can make a difference in the appreciation:


Lætitia Avrot wrote on 07.04.19 12:23:
[...]
>>     /Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the
>>     conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using
>>     work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates

Is the world "Man" the one who needs to be avoided? or do we need to avoid "Man
as a synonym for work"?

I believe is the second case, so, to prevent confusion, move the ':'

"Man" as a synonym for work: as in "man hours,"...  etc....

Also, I would keep the explanation up to "Try using work instead", as the more
inclusive alternatives don't really work: "people hours", "folk the inbox"...

By the way, never heard about "man the inbox" or "man the conference booth"...
is that really referring to men, or to management?


Unfortunately too late, but I'll change the source file, so next time we'll have it.

Have a nice day,

Lætitia 
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Re: Pgday italy

Caitríona Smith

Hi All

I really like the original wording. "Man the inbox" may not be a phrase I've encountered but "man the conference booth" is precisely the common usage that needs to be watched for. The precise problem is that 'man' is usually a replacement for 'person' on the assumption that all persons are men. Whether that is in terms of work being done or time attached to the doing.

Folks, people, you all, etc. don't necessarily fit in all cases where one needs to replace 'man' or 'men' but they are good places to start when thinking about alternative phrases. People hours isn't really correct, but person hours is, for example. One may not man the inbox, but one can certainly check or monitor or manage it. Staffing the booth would be preferable to manning it. And the list of phrases as alternatives to 'guys' is also pretty important.

regards

-k

Cait


Den 2019-04-11 kl. 15:36, skrev Lætitia Avrot:
Hi Boriss,


Yesterday back from holidays and still catching up with emails, so, probably
this feedback is too late, but anyway... |Great proposal Lætitia. I have only
one small change that can make a difference in the appreciation:


Lætitia Avrot wrote on 07.04.19 12:23:
[...]
>>     /Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man the
>>     conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using
>>     work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all, teammates

Is the world "Man" the one who needs to be avoided? or do we need to avoid "Man
as a synonym for work"?

I believe is the second case, so, to prevent confusion, move the ':'

"Man" as a synonym for work: as in "man hours,"...  etc....

Also, I would keep the explanation up to "Try using work instead", as the more
inclusive alternatives don't really work: "people hours", "folk the inbox"...

By the way, never heard about "man the inbox" or "man the conference booth"...
is that really referring to men, or to management?


Unfortunately too late, but I'll change the source file, so next time we'll have it.

Have a nice day,

Lætitia