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Valeria Kaplan
Hi Umair,

Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on the main website?

I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for information like that on the main website.). 

All, 
what do you think?

Valeria


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:33 AM Umair Shahid <[hidden email]> wrote:
Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions. 

- Umair

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:
HI, 

I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.

Thx 

Manoj 

On 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <[hidden email]> wrote:

Awesome!

What do you need from us ?

On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

I wish to create a local user group for Ireland.

Sincerely,

Manoj




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Re: Local User Groups

Dave Cramer-4


On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Umair,

Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on the main website?

I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for information like that on the main website.). 

All, 
what do you think?

Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have some vague notion of how to search for it. 

+1 for the main page

Dave
 

Valeria


On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:33 AM Umair Shahid <[hidden email]> wrote:
Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions. 

- Umair

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:
HI, 

I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.

Thx 

Manoj 

On 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <[hidden email]> wrote:

Awesome!

What do you need from us ?

On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

I wish to create a local user group for Ireland.

Sincerely,

Manoj




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Re: Local User Groups

Jonathan S. Katz-3
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Umair,
>
>     Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
>     Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
>     the main website?
>
>     I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
>     here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
>     provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
>     liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
>     think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
>     community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
>     information like that on the main website.). 
>
>     All, 
>     what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it. 
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.

That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: Local User Groups

Schmidt, Vinicius
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Hi Manoj,

 

I came to know that you are interested in create a user group here in Ireland.

I think we could unite efforts as I was thinking the same for over the past year, and I know more people that might be very interested.

 

Please feel free to reach me out directly so we can discuss the details on how we will organize it our first meeting.

 

Kind regards,

Vinícius

 



From: Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday 6 January 2020 at 09:57
To: Umair Shahid <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>, "Jonathan S. Katz" <[hidden email]>, Magnus Hagander <[hidden email]>, Dave Cramer <[hidden email]>, Paul Ramsey <[hidden email]>, Kerem Kızıltunç <[hidden email]>, Renee Phillips <[hidden email]>, Jan Karremans <[hidden email]>, Chris Travers <[hidden email]>, Laetitia Avrot <[hidden email]>, "Teresa.Giacomini" <[hidden email]>, Ervin Weber <[hidden email]>, Joe Conway <[hidden email]>, Stacey Haysler <[hidden email]>, Katherine Mcmillan <[hidden email]>, Sebastiaan Mannem <[hidden email]>, Claire Giordano <[hidden email]>, Stephen Frost <[hidden email]>, Catherine Souque <[hidden email]>, Steven Pousty <[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: Local User Groups

 

Hi Umair,

 

Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.

Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on the main website?

 

I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for information like that on the main website.). 

 

All, 

what do you think?

 

Valeria

 

 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:33 AM Umair Shahid <[hidden email]> wrote:

Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions. 

 

- Umair

 

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:

HI, 

 

I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.

 

Thx 

 

Manoj 



On 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <[hidden email]> wrote:

 

Awesome!

 

What do you need from us ?

 

On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I wish to create a local user group for Ireland.

Sincerely,

Manoj


 

Amazon Data Services Ireland Limited registered office: One Burlington Plaza, Burlington Road, Dublin 4, Ireland. Registered in Ireland. Registration number 390566. 

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Re: Local User Groups

manoj kumar MR
Hi, 

Yes I was planning to create one.

If you could take this up this would be a great thing. 


Sincerely, 

Manoj 


On 6 Jan 2020, at 18:58, Schmidt, Vinicius <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Manoj, 
 
I came to know that you are interested in create a user group here in Ireland.
I think we could unite efforts as I was thinking the same for over the past year, and I know more people that might be very interested.
 
Please feel free to reach me out directly so we can discuss the details on how we will organize it our first meeting.
 
Kind regards, 
Vinícius
 


From: Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday 6 January 2020 at 09:57
To: Umair Shahid <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>, "Jonathan S. Katz" <[hidden email]>, Magnus Hagander <[hidden email]>, Dave Cramer <[hidden email]>, Paul Ramsey <[hidden email]>, Kerem Kızıltunç <[hidden email]>, Renee Phillips <[hidden email]>, Jan Karremans <[hidden email]>, Chris Travers <[hidden email]>, Laetitia Avrot <[hidden email]>, "Teresa.Giacomini" <[hidden email]>, Ervin Weber <[hidden email]>, Joe Conway <[hidden email]>, Stacey Haysler <[hidden email]>, Katherine Mcmillan <[hidden email]>, Sebastiaan Mannem <[hidden email]>, Claire Giordano <[hidden email]>, Stephen Frost <[hidden email]>, Catherine Souque <[hidden email]>, Steven Pousty <[hidden email]>, <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: Local User Groups
 
Hi Umair,
 
Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on the main website?
 
I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally, think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for information like that on the main website.). 
 
All, 
what do you think?
 
Valeria
 
 
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:33 AM Umair Shahid <[hidden email]> wrote:
Manoj, the wiki link here - https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual - gives an overview on how to kick things off. Please feel free to ask in case there are further questions. 
 
- Umair
 
On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 7:50 PM manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:
HI, 
 
I will set up the meet-up page for the Irish developers, please add that to the local community groups under Ireland.
 
Thx 
 
Manoj 


On 27 Dec 2019, at 12:17, Dave Cramer <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
Awesome!
 
What do you need from us ?
 
On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 18:57, manoj kumar MR <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I wish to create a local user group for Ireland. 

Sincerely, 

Manoj 


 

Amazon Data Services Ireland Limited registered office: One Burlington Plaza, Burlington Road, Dublin 4, Ireland. Registered in Ireland. Registration number 390566. 


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Re: Local User Groups

Umair Shahid-2
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Umair,
>
>     Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
>     Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
>     the main website?
>
>     I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
>     here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
>     provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
>     liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
>     think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
>     community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
>     information like that on the main website.). 
>
>     All, 
>     what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it. 
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.

That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

I think something as simple as "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how ... " on this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ would do the trick. 
 

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: Local User Groups

Valeria Kaplan
Sounds good,

Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how. " to this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/

Quick question,
Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that? 

thanks,
Valeria

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:54 AM Umair Shahid <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Umair,
>
>     Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
>     Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
>     the main website?
>
>     I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
>     here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
>     provide a link to the wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
>     like to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
>     think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
>     community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
>     information like that on the main website.). 
>
>     All, 
>     what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it. 
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.

That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

I think something as simple as "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how ... " on this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ would do the trick. 
 

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: Local User Groups

Dave Cramer-4


On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 06:29, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sounds good,

Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how. " to this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/

Quick question,
Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that? 

thanks,
Valeria


Joe or Magnus can help with that. I think there is a link on the wiki to specifically ask for it but hopefully one of them sees this
 
Dave Cramer
 
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:54 AM Umair Shahid <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Umair,
>
>     Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
>     Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
>     the main website?
>
>     I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
>     here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
>     provide a link to the wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
>     like to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
>     think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
>     community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
>     information like that on the main website.). 
>
>     All, 
>     what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it. 
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.

That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

I think something as simple as "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how ... " on this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ would do the trick. 
 

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: Local User Groups

Joe Conway
On 1/7/20 6:34 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 06:29, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Sounds good,
>
>     Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how.
>     <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual> " to
>     this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/
>
>     Quick question,
>     Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have
>     access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that? 
>
>     thanks,
>     Valeria
>
> Joe or Magnus can help with that. I think there is a link on the wiki to
> specifically ask for it but hopefully one of them sees this


Which account name? It does not appear that the one associated with
Valeria's email address has ever logged in to the wiki.

Joe

--
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Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development


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Valeria Kaplan
Thank you, Joe,

It's:
valeriak

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:47 AM Joe Conway <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 1/7/20 6:34 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 06:29, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Sounds good,
>
>     Let's put a link "Looking to start a new User Group? Here's how.
>     <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual> " to
>     this page: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/
>
>     Quick question,
>     Happy to look into phrasing on wiki, however, I don't actually have
>     access to edit there. Do you know who can help with that? 
>
>     thanks,
>     Valeria
>
> Joe or Magnus can help with that. I think there is a link on the wiki to
> specifically ask for it but hopefully one of them sees this


Which account name? It does not appear that the one associated with
Valeria's email address has ever logged in to the wiki.

Joe

--
Crunchy Data - http://crunchydata.com
PostgreSQL Support for Secure Enterprises
Consulting, Training, & Open Source Development
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Re: Local User Groups

Joe Conway
On 1/7/20 7:33 AM, Valeria Kaplan wrote:
> Thank you, Joe,


Thanks -- all set, you are now an editor :-)

Joe

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Re: Local User Groups - advocacy

Valeria Kaplan
In reply to this post by Jonathan S. Katz-3
Hi Jonathan, All,

To take our discussion on this thread further, I went through the content on the wiki page and rewrote it a bit. 

I made five sections, keeping in mind what I'd see going on the postgres.org website PUG page:

1. Small blurb at the top (see under creating a new user group
2. Starting your PUG (guides you through the process of creating all needed resources and announcing the group to the community)
3. Holding your first meetup (talks about different organisational aspects of a meetup, how to get funding, and where to announce)
4. Holding more meetings (a general guidance on holding meetup series)
5. Useful links (this needs more links, examples of active user group pages, checklists, articles about choosing topics for PUG meetings and how to run them. If anyone has good examples for it, could you please ad the link to the wiki https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual#Useful_Links or send it to this thread and I'll add.)

I left Notes and Brain Dump, they do have some useful nuggets of information, but I think it'd be too much for the website. 

It definitely needs a proof, so if anyone can help with that it would be great.

Once on the website, I have a few ideas that could bring this section of the website to live a bit more (an animation to explain the process and maybe series of video interviews with those who have experience organising PUG meetings)... "You may say I`m a dreamer; but I`m not the only one." :) 

Cheers,
Valeria


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Umair,
>
>     Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
>     Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
>     the main website?
>
>     I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
>     here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
>     provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
>     liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
>     think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
>     community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
>     information like that on the main website.). 
>
>     All, 
>     what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it. 
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.

That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

Thanks,

Jonathan
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Re: Local User Groups - advocacy

Valeria Kaplan
Hi All,

I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to address the issue of not having any information about setting up and running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the updated wiki page text (see my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time, Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball rolling.

Thanks,
Valeria

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:04 PM Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Jonathan, All,

To take our discussion on this thread further, I went through the content on the wiki page and rewrote it a bit. 

I made five sections, keeping in mind what I'd see going on the postgres.org website PUG page:

1. Small blurb at the top (see under creating a new user group
2. Starting your PUG (guides you through the process of creating all needed resources and announcing the group to the community)
3. Holding your first meetup (talks about different organisational aspects of a meetup, how to get funding, and where to announce)
4. Holding more meetings (a general guidance on holding meetup series)
5. Useful links (this needs more links, examples of active user group pages, checklists, articles about choosing topics for PUG meetings and how to run them. If anyone has good examples for it, could you please ad the link to the wiki https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual#Useful_Links or send it to this thread and I'll add.)

I left Notes and Brain Dump, they do have some useful nuggets of information, but I think it'd be too much for the website. 

It definitely needs a proof, so if anyone can help with that it would be great.

Once on the website, I have a few ideas that could bring this section of the website to live a bit more (an animation to explain the process and maybe series of video interviews with those who have experience organising PUG meetings)... "You may say I`m a dreamer; but I`m not the only one." :) 

Cheers,
Valeria


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 4:59 PM Jonathan S. Katz <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

On 1/6/20 8:12 AM, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 04:57, Valeria Kaplan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Umair,
>
>     Thanks for sending this to Manoj, this is a super useful page.
>     Do you know if there is a particular reason why this info is not on
>     the main website?
>
>     I think it's super useful, so maybe we could put it
>     here: https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ or at least
>     provide a link to wiki (I guess, it depends whether or not we would
>     liek to keep using wiki for instructions like that - I personally,
>     think we shouldn't since only those who are already involved in the
>     community would be aware of wiki, others will most probably look for
>     information like that on the main website.). 
>
>     All, 
>     what do you think?
>
>
> Personally I find the wiki a terrible place to put anything. It is only
> useful if you know that what you are searching for exists and you have
> some vague notion of how to search for it. 
>
> +1 for the main page

I think the idea for this page being on the wiki was that it allowed for
changes to be made over time, e.g. if there was a new idea for how to do
something, a clarification, etc. It also has not been updated since 2015.

That said, I would not be opposed to adding something on the website for
how to start a user group, etc. but I think we need to ensure we have
some "final" language we've agreed to. It's (relatively) easier to
modify a Wiki page than the website.

Perhaps an interim step is to link to the wiki page from the website? We
can then work on what we would want the "user group operating manual"
page to say on the website, and once ready, commit that.

Thanks,

Jonathan
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Justin Clift-2
Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it
goes
if nothing else. :)

+ Justin


On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to
> address the issue of not having any information about setting up and
> running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the
> updated
> wiki page text
> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see
> my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have
> time,
> Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball
> rolling.
>
> Thanks,
> Valeria


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Jonathan S. Katz-3
On 3/10/20 8:06 PM, Justin Clift wrote:

> Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it
> goes
> if nothing else. :)
>
> + Justin
>
>
> On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to
>> address the issue of not having any information about setting up and
>> running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the
>> updated
>> wiki page text
>> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see
>> my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time,
>> Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball
>> rolling.
Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back.

Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up
to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the
website.

I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it
will be a very helpful resource!

Jonathan


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Valeria Kaplan
Cool, thank you Johnathan! 

Let me know if I can be of any help for completing this (even if just circling back with you next week :) ) 



On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 2:32 AM Jonathan S. Katz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back.

Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up
to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the
website.

I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it
will be a very helpful resource!

Jonathan

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Dave Cramer
www.postgres.rocks


On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 22:33, Jonathan S. Katz <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 3/10/20 8:06 PM, Justin Clift wrote:
> Seems like a worthwhile attempt, worthy of trying out and seeing how it
> goes
> if nothing else. :)
>
> + Justin
>
>
> On 2020-03-03 21:24, Valeria Kaplan wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think my email (below) fell between the cracks, but we still need to
>> address the issue of not having any information about setting up and
>> running meetups on postgres.org, so if there are no comments about the
>> updated
>> wiki page text
>> <https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/UserGroupOperatingManual>(see
>> my email below) I'd suggest that myself and Johnathan (if you have time,
>> Johnathan) finalise it and add it to the website to keep the ball
>> rolling.

Sorry, missed this during travel and forgot to circle back.

Certainly +1 to moving it forward. I have a few content tweaks queued up
to do, next week likely better to push a bunch of changes through to the
website.

I skimmed through the notes -- they look way more organized. I think it
will be a very helpful resource!

Jonathan


Valeria,

Great work! Thanks for doing this.  I read through it and have some possible edits.

    • Email the list [hidden email] announcing that you would like to create a user group in your area and note if need funds setting up your meeting.com account.
Possibly change this to "if you need funds... "

Please consider your local specifics and popular platforms in your geography
change to "in your area"
 
 it is successful if the focus is on its audience and the narrower your focus is the better your meetup will run and the stronger community you will create

It took me a bit to grok the sentence above. Does this work ?

To be successful, focus on the audience. The narrower your focus, the better your meetup will run; resulting in a stronger community 

Regards,

Dave